February 15, 2017


When the day comes that the Russians start sticking their nose in on the relationship between the US and Mexico, that will be the day I give two [*****] about what the Russians do with the Ukraine.[1]
Somehow, though, distant events with little direct effect on American interests fall into the Let No Sparrow Fall category for U.S. foreign policy geniuses.

It's getting expensive and people are beginning to ask why this has to be.

[1] Comment by froze25 on "Top US, Russian Military Generals To Meet Thursday." By Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge, 2/15/17.


JWMJR said...

Sorry but I see this as a false analogy. The US doesn't have a history of deporting millions of Mexicans into slavery and death camps then deliberately starving millions more to death and topping it off by murdering another million or so just to terrorize those still alive. Ukrainian desires to be free of Moscow's hegemony goes back well into the the imperial era.

Col. B. Bunny said...

Neither does the Russian Federation have a history of deporting millions of Ukrainians into slavery and death camps.

The Soviet Union was a ghastly aberration in the history of Russia but its crimes are sui generis and it is long since dead and gone. If Ukrainians fear or dislike Russians that's understandable but that doesn't change the fact that the Russia of today is very different from the Russia of Soviet times.

It's a tragedy what happened there in the 1930s but I don't see it as our responsibility to ensure that Ukrainians properly distinguish between then and now. It's none of our business to work things out on behalf of the Ukrainians. There is no evidence that the Russians ever intended to take over Crimea, Donbass, or the rest of Ukraine. That Russia sought hegemony over Ukraine is not a credible theory. The more accurate theory is that Russia wanted it and all the prior Soviet satellite nations to be a buffer between it and NATO.

Ukraine would be as it was before had not Obama and Nuland spent some $5B to bring down the elected government there. That we did that makes the U.S. culpable in the difficulties that ensued. What "we" should do to atone for that I don't know, but "we" are culpable to that extent. Even so, I don't think Obama foresaw or supported the extremists who made Maidan a place of violence.

It turned into a tragedy that no one foresaw at the outset. Everyone involved should make damn sure to back off, take a deep breath, let the situation simmer, and otherwise refrain from transforming a chaotic, unplanned situation from being any kind of a flashpoint and excuse for further killing. A solution devised by nations other than the U.S. would be perfect.